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Antarctica is guarded by the longest lasting worldwide treaty. Yes. A U.N. army guards Antarctica from freely exploring venturers. Of course they don't literally set up a line of boats or planes lining up the coast. There are much more sophisticated means of guarding than this.
"Can you give me an example of some of the mathematical equations you've done yourself to prove the Earth is flat?"
Yes, a manmade lake near my house is 3 miles approximately at it's widest point. There is no curvature over this 3 miles. There should be.
"math is what proves the Earth is round and philosophers have known this for a while "
Can you give an example as I have above?
"they refuse to point out the gravity/physics of the situation as well as the math that proves the Earth is round. "
I'm asking you to do that, since you support the position. I can't find any curved water, which mathematically should be there.
"He also dismisses the fact that the Earth has been universally agreed to be round since 350 B.C "
False. The earth's shape was highly debated upon until about 500 years ago, then the debate all but disappeared when NASA painted a picture of a ball earth as proof.
"and refuses to respond to my question dismissing it as a "rant" showing his true colors as a denialist. A person who denies science in favor of his "theories"
I believe @Hank was talking to me and I have no clue what this is about. Please state your question in the form of a... question @Oswald_Mosley
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@Hank
" I find it funny that they think they can disprove mathematics. The nature of maths is that you cannot disprove it. 2+2=4. That cannot be refuted, there is no possible way that 2+2=/=4. "
Please mathematically prove the earth is a spinning ball. So that we can settle the debate with logic and the scientific method.
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The money and equipment required to guard the world's coldest continent would be massive and expensive to stop even 1 small explorer from getting a basic look at the continent would require massive efforts and massive money. All of this in an effort to make you believe the Earth is flat for what reason. NO U.N guard thought that this entire lie needed to come to light? Not even one?
Here is an actual statement. In a flat earth the center of the Earth would be relatively normal to the gravity we have today. As you went to the edges the gravity would get stronger and stronger until like a hill at the edges. This argument has been stated many times and has been agreed upon by most people who actually believe in the fundamental of our society gravity. I have been to Asia and it wasn't harder to walk than it was in North America or as in your theory Italy.
Saying the shape of the Earth was debated 500 years ago is an insane statement. First off if Nasa did just show off a ball not only would the organization be distrusted for falsehood if the Earth was theoretically "flat" but also people would not just believe something at first site because of a CGI ball made in 1971. 100 years ago was 1507 AD when Aristotle himself in 350 B.C declared the Earth round based off these very simple facts. You did not provide evidence for this so called debate 500 years ago.
I wasn't asking a question I was making a statement about the way you are approaching your facts.
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http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/09/17/but-it-moves-how-we-know-the-e/
Go and read some experiments that have been conducted by people who spent their lives researching this topic, not a 21 year old conspiracy theorist who thinks they're highly intelligent because they believe the Earth is flat.
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I've not made anything up. The Antarctic treaty prohibits free travel through Antarctica.
"Not to mention countries that aren't in the U.N surely would allow their nation's planes to fly further because the stated goal of the U.N is world peace and they can't intervene. "
This is a front, they'll be peacefull as long as you turn back. This is David Bresnahan, who has led expeditions to Antarctica discusses the limitations of exploring Antarctica. To be sure you're not a military threat, you'll have to obtain your country's governmental permission, then...
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How do you explain that?
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"The Earth is massive. If there was a curve at your lake your would be a massive freaking man. Just because you have a man made lake 3 miles wide does not mean you should see curvature."
Yes, you should. In order for the earth to be a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference all standing water must have a degree of curvature. There can exist no flat surfaces. Over three miles distance, the earth should curve downward 72 inches or 6 feet.
"When you go over water the Water looks flat.
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"When you are on a beach and look out the water is curved. "
?false. Evidence. Source please.
"The perspective on the boat is not reflective of the actual look of the water. "
??? This is An incoherent statement.
"The curve is so minimal as you travel as a speck on a giant rock you don't notice it up close. IF you stood on a tree over the beach you can see the clearly defined curvature."
That is not math. Math looks like this 2+2=4 You used no numbers. Words like: "massive", "massive freaking", minimal", "a speck" "giant" "up close" etc. These are unspecified measurements. Please use actual mathematics. You claim to have mathematical evidence, show it.
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@hank said
@Erfisflat ;Salar de Uyuni. At 10,582sq km in size and about 100km across, Salar de Uyuni in Bolivia – the world's largest salt flat. Of course there are parts of the Earth that are flat - use some common sense.
This would be impossible on a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference. Thanks for providing evidence against your position. Over 100 km there should be over 2,574.0045126667 feet of curvature.
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This is a result of perspective. You can see more from higher because you are looking over a lot more of the earth, it's a bit complicated to put into words, maybe an engineer can show you. Either way, you've dodged my rebuttal, you never have to look down at the horizon, and it is always flat. Even at over 100,000 feet.
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Again, no. Science and mathematics blatantly proves this. He is not assuming anything. This is a fact that has been verified by centuries of astronomy and cosmology.
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Then show me this blatant mathematical proof. Yours and authority say so is not proof. I have seen empirical proof against the claim. @Hank
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Several instances have been compiled of sites that should be mathematically impossible on a ball that is 25,000 miles in circumference being commonplace. Even up to 150 miles away. Ive compiled the evidence in my debate here: the earth is flat.
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via https://science.howstuffworks.com/question224.htm
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No but science and mathematics are two forms of the most potent proof there is. Just because a scientist is influential doesn't mean they're working with the government or trying to lie to their audience. In most cases it is the exact opposite.
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Your assumed false axiom is in bold. In order for your trigonometry formula to work, it must be be assumed that the earth is a ball that is in motion. This is a blatant assuming the conclusion fallacy, and nothing more. @hank
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So, once again, show me scientific and mathematical proof that the earth is a spinning ball. @Hank
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So in the case of Aristarchus 2200 years ago - he measured the diameter of the Earth by observing the same star from two locations that he knew the distance between
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Or this;
Or this?
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If you'd like to discuss any major points, I'd be delighted.
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By assuming the earth is round...
" It works by making angular measurements of the distant object from two positions whose location is precisely known, and then using trigonometry to determine the distance. If you know two angles and a the length of one side of a triangle, you can figure out all the remaining dimensions."
I know fully well how trigonometry is, but those two distances (on earth) are assumed to be on a circle, not a flat plane, as I have shown you from your own source. @Hank
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That statement alone proves you know very little about trigonometry.
Answer this one question:
What is your best piece of evidence to support the idea that the Earth is flat?
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https://aplanetruth.info/2015/03/31/24-why-did-so-many-apollo-astronots-die-mysterious-deaths-in-just-three-years-time/
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That statement alone proves you know very little about trigonometry.
It's from your source, I asked you to actually show me, with trigonometry, how we can deduce the distance to stars. Your reply was "well, we know it takes 6 months for the imaginary ball earth to go round the sun... so with trigonometry we have proved you wrong" and you've done no such a thing. @hank
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It has absolutely nothing to do with the shape of the Earth.
I don't see any point in debating with you anymore because you don't want to be convinced. When given blatant mathematical and scientific evidence you just dismiss it and claim it is false.
I asked you what the strongest piece of evidence to support your theory was numerous times and you've ignored the question.
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  Relevant (Beta): 98%  
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